Two Scorpios, and no secrets left?

Are two Scorpios compatible?

Two Scorpios are the same sign twice: water meeting water, fixed meeting fixed. Astrologers call it a mirror, and Ptolemy counted it as a conjunction. Only the Suns are compared here. Venus, Mars, the Moon and the sign on the descendant carry the rest.

You're here because of someone.

The Sun signs say you’re the same. Two whole charts say far more.

Your card is worked out from the day, the minute and the place you were born, not from a sign you share with a twelfth of the planet.

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Admit one Scorpio Water · Fixed Oct 24 – Nov 21

=︎ Same sign · 0°Water · fixedA conjunction, the first of Ptolemy’s aspects

What it is: synastry, the art of comparing two charts

Comparing two people's charts has a name: synastry. Astrologers lay one chart over the other and look at the angles between the two sets of planets, the same angles the old books use inside a single chart.

Sun-sign compatibility is the shortcut version. It compares only the two Suns, and the angle between them is the aspect: four signs apart is a trine, two apart a sextile, three apart a square, six apart an opposition. Ptolemy called the trine and the sextile harmonious, and the square and the opposition disharmonious. ¹

Elements describe temperament (fire, earth, air, water) and modes describe pace (cardinal starts, fixed holds, mutable adapts). Two Scorpios share both: water and fixed, twice.

Full synastry goes much further: whose Venus lands on whose Moon, where one person's planets fall in the other's houses, how the two descendants line up. Ptolemy himself compared the Sun and the Moon of both charts, not just the Suns. That is why one Scorpio can get on beautifully with another Scorpio and not at all with a third. ²

What happens when two Scorpios fall for each other?

The traditional portrait: the same for every Scorpio.

Scorpio in love

Scorpio, in the old portrait, loves privately and all the way down. Slow to trust, said to test before it commits, and loyal once it does. The books give Scorpio a long memory, for kindness and for slights, and no patience for anything shallow. For a Scorpio, small talk is a doorway, never the room.

Together

Water with water. Astrologers say these two feel the mood in the car before anyone's said a word. Deep end, both of you. Who remembers to come up for air?

Both fixed, the most stubborn pairing on the wheel by reputation. Loyal to the bone, the pair of you, and neither one keen to blink first.

Intensity, squared. Both belong to Mars in Ptolemy's scheme, and both are fixed water: deep, loyal and very private. Nothing gets past either of them, which makes trust total or impossible. These two don't really do the middle.

Where it comes from: comparing charts, from Babylon to your phone

Era by era, with sources. More in the Reading Room.

Ancientc. 450 BCEThe Babylonian zodiac settles into twelve equal zones, the frame later comparisons of signs are built on. ³
Ancient410 BCEThe earliest known horoscopes, from Babylon and Nippur, date to this year. ³
Classical2nd century CEPtolemy's Tetrabiblos names the aspects between signs and calls the trine and sextile harmonious, the square and opposition disharmonious. ^4,1
Classical2nd century CEPtolemy's triangles: Scorpio belongs to the water triangle, which he puts under Mars, with Venus by day and the Moon by night as partners. Two Scorpios share the triangle, the planet (Mars) and the season: everything his system counts. ¹
Classical2nd century CEIn his chapter on marriage, Ptolemy compares two charts: the Sun and Moon of one against the Sun and Moon of the other, reading trines and sextiles between them as concord and squares and oppositions as friction. ²
Classical2nd century CEHis chapter on friends and enemies does the same with the Sun, the Moon, the rising degree and the Lot of Fortune of both people. ²
Medieval12th centuryAbu Ma'shar's introduction to astrology circulates in Latin; the University of Edinburgh holds a 12th-century copy. ⁵
1800s1890Alan Leo's Astrologer's Magazine offers its annual subscribers a free horoscope by post. ⁶
1930s1937R. H. Naylor's newspaper horoscope, begun in 1930, is organised by the twelve sun signs. ⁷
1970s1978Linda Goodman's Love Signs is published by Harper & Row. ⁸
1980s–90s1980–1999Chart services run by computer arrive: Astrodienst in Zürich sells birth charts from 1980 and goes online in 1996. ⁹
Today202430% of US adults consult astrology, tarot or a fortune teller at least yearly, mostly for fun, according to Pew Research Center. ¹⁰

Worked out, not guessed

A sign paired with itself shares everything: element, mode and polarity. There are 12 such pairs among the 78 possible sun-sign pairings.
Venus never gets more than about 47° from the Sun, so a Scorpio's Venus is in one of five signs (Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius or Capricorn). Which one is a matter of the year and the day.

Who looks away first?

The Sun can’t answer that. These four can, and your card reads every one of them.

Venus · how you love

How do you love, and how do you want to be loved?

That's Venus. It never strays far from the Sun, so a Scorpio's Venus can only sit in Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius or Capricorn. Two people with the same sun sign can want completely different evenings.

Your card reads your Venus.
Mars · what you want

Why does every fight feel like a test?

That's Mars: desire, temper, the way you chase what you're after. It can sit in any of the twelve signs, so two Scorpios born a season apart can want, and fight about, completely different things.

Your card reads your Mars.
The Moon · what you need

Why do they feel like home one day and a stranger the next?

That's the Moon: what you need when the door's shut and the day's gone wrong. It changes sign every two and a half days. If their Moon falls in your sign… well.

Your card reads your Moon.
The descendant · who you’re drawn to

Why do you keep falling for the same type?

That's your descendant, the edge of the seventh house: the sign setting in the west at your birth minute. Tradition reads it as the partner you keep noticing. It needs your birth time and place.

Your card reads your rising sign and your descendant.